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		<title>By: cristogianni</title>
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		<dc:creator>cristogianni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 15:45:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi All,

I’d like to tell you about my new book, On Persecution, Identity and Activism: Aspects of the Italian-American Experience from the Late 19th Century to Today. It is a definitive work on the many trials and tribulations that Italian-Americans have suffered over the past 120 years.  While other books have focused on specific areas of anti-Italianism, this encompasses the great bulk of persecution that existed in the United States, through the use of a historical timeline.  Lynchings, slave labor, executions, internment, discrimination, police brutality and other abuses are all covered. The book also shows the reader how Italian-American identity has evolved through the years, and that there is still no consensus on its definition.  Modern activism is addressed as well, especially the ongoing anti-defamation campaign and the Columbus Day controversy.  Due to the striking similarities between Italian immigrants of the past and contemporary immigrants, On Persecution, Identity and Activism is truly a “must read” for anyone attempting to better understand the vexing immigration questions of our own times.

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It is advisable that you write down your name, telephone number and address on a slip of paper and include it in your envelope.

Thanks for your time.

Sincerely,
Cristogianni Borsella


“On Persecution, Identity &amp; Activism”

THE HOTTEST NEW BOOK IN ETHNIC STUDIES— If interested in obtaining a copy of the hottest new book in the field of ethnic studies, please write out a check for $24.95 (this includes shipping) and make it payable to Branden Books. Send check to: Dante University of America, P.O. Box 812158, Wellesley, MA 02482, U.S.A.

www.danteuniversity.org/bookstore.html&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi All,</p>
<p>I’d like to tell you about my new book, On Persecution, Identity and Activism: Aspects of the Italian-American Experience from the Late 19th Century to Today. It is a definitive work on the many trials and tribulations that Italian-Americans have suffered over the past 120 years.  While other books have focused on specific areas of anti-Italianism, this encompasses the great bulk of persecution that existed in the United States, through the use of a historical timeline.  Lynchings, slave labor, executions, internment, discrimination, police brutality and other abuses are all covered. The book also shows the reader how Italian-American identity has evolved through the years, and that there is still no consensus on its definition.  Modern activism is addressed as well, especially the ongoing anti-defamation campaign and the Columbus Day controversy.  Due to the striking similarities between Italian immigrants of the past and contemporary immigrants, On Persecution, Identity and Activism is truly a “must read” for anyone attempting to better understand the vexing immigration questions of our own times.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.danteuniversity.org/bookstore.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.danteuniversity.org/bookstore.html</a></p>
<p>If interested in obtaining a copy of the hottest new book in the field of ethnic studies, please write out a check for $24.95 (this includes shipping) and make it payable to Branden Books. Send check to: Dante University of America, P.O. Box 812158, Wellesley, MA 02482, U.S.A.</p>
<p>It is advisable that you write down your name, telephone number and address on a slip of paper and include it in your envelope.</p>
<p>Thanks for your time.</p>
<p>Sincerely,<br />
Cristogianni Borsella</p>
<p>“On Persecution, Identity &amp; Activism”</p>
<p>THE HOTTEST NEW BOOK IN ETHNIC STUDIES— If interested in obtaining a copy of the hottest new book in the field of ethnic studies, please write out a check for $24.95 (this includes shipping) and make it payable to Branden Books. Send check to: Dante University of America, P.O. Box 812158, Wellesley, MA 02482, U.S.A.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.danteuniversity.org/bookstore.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.danteuniversity.org/bookstore.html</a><br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: James H</title>
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		<dc:creator>James H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 15:36:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The question of church and state of course is &quot;who&#039;s church?&quot;. Most people who claim to want Theocracy really want  an ecclesiocracy, a rule by their particular church. Until He begins to rule, we are much better off with the church state separation.

The same point stated a different way is that we need separation of church and state, not separation of God and state. 

I&#039;ll put a picture up, but I&#039;m just an average looking, late middle age white guy. Just look at the line at the post office or grocery store and you&#039;ll see me. 

James H.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The question of church and state of course is &quot;who&#8217;s church?&quot;. Most people who claim to want Theocracy really want  an ecclesiocracy, a rule by their particular church. Until He begins to rule, we are much better off with the church state separation.</p>
<p>The same point stated a different way is that we need separation of church and state, not separation of God and state. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll put a picture up, but I&#8217;m just an average looking, late middle age white guy. Just look at the line at the post office or grocery store and you&#8217;ll see me. </p>
<p>James H.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: celestial guardian</title>
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		<dc:creator>celestial guardian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 14:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sad, isn&#039;t it? This is why society will collapse on itself with great magnitude shortly.....like a dying star.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sad, isn&#8217;t it? This is why society will collapse on itself with great magnitude shortly&#8230;..like a dying star.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: Ally</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ally</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 14:42:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If it&#039;s discriminatory, it should be banned, even if it&#039;s &quot;trampling on their freedom of religion,&quot; not to mention freedom of speech.  What I mean by that is that if only certain religions are being allowed those prayer groups.  Or if only certain gods are approved of as appropriate for talking about in public school (let private schools do what they will).  For children, feeling the disapproval of a teacher or peers at school because they are simply talking about their religion like anyone else can be intimidating, especially as the reactions can be very bad if they don&#039;t follow a mainstream religion.  Religious items on display in lockers and desks should be allowed, as long as it&#039;s not something like &quot;Kill the Christians/Jews/Pagans/Muslims&quot; or something like that, but it doesn&#039;t actually have anything to do with the separation of church and state, unless you work for the government.  That&#039;s a different story.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it&#8217;s discriminatory, it should be banned, even if it&#8217;s &quot;trampling on their freedom of religion,&quot; not to mention freedom of speech.  What I mean by that is that if only certain religions are being allowed those prayer groups.  Or if only certain gods are approved of as appropriate for talking about in public school (let private schools do what they will).  For children, feeling the disapproval of a teacher or peers at school because they are simply talking about their religion like anyone else can be intimidating, especially as the reactions can be very bad if they don&#8217;t follow a mainstream religion.  Religious items on display in lockers and desks should be allowed, as long as it&#8217;s not something like &quot;Kill the Christians/Jews/Pagans/Muslims&quot; or something like that, but it doesn&#8217;t actually have anything to do with the separation of church and state, unless you work for the government.  That&#8217;s a different story.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: Kaw Dawg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kaw Dawg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 14:14:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you swat a mosquito on a college campus, someone will protest your action.  They are nests of politically correct, extreme liberalism.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you swat a mosquito on a college campus, someone will protest your action.  They are nests of politically correct, extreme liberalism.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: ThatGuy</title>
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		<dc:creator>ThatGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 13:39:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good question with many possible answers!!

But I tend to view religious expression along the same lines as cigarette smoking.  It seems that you can do what you like, but if it&#039;s offensive to someone else, the non-smoker has priority.

This is a very crude model, but maybe you see what i mean.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good question with many possible answers!!</p>
<p>But I tend to view religious expression along the same lines as cigarette smoking.  It seems that you can do what you like, but if it&#8217;s offensive to someone else, the non-smoker has priority.</p>
<p>This is a very crude model, but maybe you see what i mean.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: Search4truth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Search4truth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 13:09:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you read the Constitution you will know separation of church and state is not true.  You are correct in that the Supreme Court has accepted one clause for religion and tossed out the clause on freedom of religion.  The proper perspective is to realize the definition of religion and that the founding fathers did not want one religion dominating others as it was in England with persecuting other denominations.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you read the Constitution you will know separation of church and state is not true.  You are correct in that the Supreme Court has accepted one clause for religion and tossed out the clause on freedom of religion.  The proper perspective is to realize the definition of religion and that the founding fathers did not want one religion dominating others as it was in England with persecuting other denominations.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: spamandham</title>
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		<dc:creator>spamandham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 12:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have a Constitutional right to to have prayer groups within public, or any other area you have authority over, which includes dorm rooms on public property that you have paid to occupy.

Children have a Constitutional right to discuss god at public schools during times when general discussions are permitted (lunch, recess, etc.), as long as such discussions are not compelled via school rules on others.

Children do not own their lockers, so they do not have a fundamental right to display signs of any kind on them, religious or otherwise.  However, if such displays are generally permitted, then religious displays can not be discriminated against without 1st Amendment violation.

Desks at work are generally private property.  It&#039;s the right of the employer to say what can and can&#039;t be displayed.  It&#039;s not illegal for an employer to discriminate against religious displays, even just for a specific religion, regardless of their policies regarding displays in general.  

The line is pretty simple.  You have a right to do whatever you want regarding your religion on your property, which includes your body (and the speech it produces).  You do not have a legal right to promote your religion at the expense of others, which includes using public property, or private property if the owner doesn&#039;t want you to.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have a Constitutional right to to have prayer groups within public, or any other area you have authority over, which includes dorm rooms on public property that you have paid to occupy.</p>
<p>Children have a Constitutional right to discuss god at public schools during times when general discussions are permitted (lunch, recess, etc.), as long as such discussions are not compelled via school rules on others.</p>
<p>Children do not own their lockers, so they do not have a fundamental right to display signs of any kind on them, religious or otherwise.  However, if such displays are generally permitted, then religious displays can not be discriminated against without 1st Amendment violation.</p>
<p>Desks at work are generally private property.  It&#8217;s the right of the employer to say what can and can&#8217;t be displayed.  It&#8217;s not illegal for an employer to discriminate against religious displays, even just for a specific religion, regardless of their policies regarding displays in general.  </p>
<p>The line is pretty simple.  You have a right to do whatever you want regarding your religion on your property, which includes your body (and the speech it produces).  You do not have a legal right to promote your religion at the expense of others, which includes using public property, or private property if the owner doesn&#8217;t want you to.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: Prima Donna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Prima Donna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 12:46:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is a tough one, and I think we go too far to be fair to everyone. I think we all should be able to express our religion... including people who are not Christian. Unfortunately, most Americans believe that only Christians have the right to religious expression. Would you allow days off for the Hindu festival of Diwali? What about Jewish prayer groups in school? What about engraving Muslim prayers in front of public buildings?

If we can accept the beliefs (or non-beliefs) of other people, then maybe it will be a lot easier to allow everyone to practice their religion in public.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is a tough one, and I think we go too far to be fair to everyone. I think we all should be able to express our religion&#8230; including people who are not Christian. Unfortunately, most Americans believe that only Christians have the right to religious expression. Would you allow days off for the Hindu festival of Diwali? What about Jewish prayer groups in school? What about engraving Muslim prayers in front of public buildings?</p>
<p>If we can accept the beliefs (or non-beliefs) of other people, then maybe it will be a lot easier to allow everyone to practice their religion in public.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: ctrent70x7</title>
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		<dc:creator>ctrent70x7</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 12:28:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It should not, but in America lately it often has.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It should not, but in America lately it often has.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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