Freedom Ride

This quote attributed to Ben Franklin is used so often by those who condemn the US anti-terror efforts.

I see the meaning as very different. I believe it means those of us not willing to take a stand and fight, with risk of death, our oppressors our enemy are trading freedom for security.

What do you think?
kevw25 I know so pick one and answer the question.

Many paraphrased variants derived from this saying have arisen and have usually been incorrectly attributed to Franklin:
"They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
"Those Who Sacrifice Liberty For Security Deserve Neither"
"He who would trade liberty for some temporary security, deserves neither liberty nor security"
"He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither"
"People willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both."
"If we restrict liberty to attain security we will lose them both."
"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both."
"He who gives up freedom for safety deserves neither"

Well the quote refers to "essential liberty." To this I must ask what "essential liberties" have been sacrificed in the name of security?

The right to not have your phone conversation listened to is not an essential liberty.

Really, what essential liberties have been infringed?

What ever happened to the social contract? You can’t get security, or really government at all, without giving up SOME small liberties.

Conservatives are the first to throw around words like "freedom" and "individuality", however they take offense when citizens refer to themselves as Asian-American, Irish-American, or African-American. Isn’t personal identity a choice that individuals should be free to make by themselves?

"There is no room in this country for hyphenated Americanism. When I refer to hyphenated Americans, I do not refer to naturalized Americans. Some of the very best Americans I have ever known were naturalized Americans, Americans born abroad. But a hyphenated American is not an American at all. This is just as true of the man who puts “native” before the hyphen as of the man who puts German or Irish or English or French before the hyphen. Americanism is a matter of the spirit and of the soul. Our allegiance must be purely to the United States. We must unsparingly condemn any man who holds any other allegiance. But if he is heartily and singly loyal to this Republic, then no matter where he was born, he is just as good an American as any one else. The one absolutely certain way of bringing this nation to ruin, of preventing all possibility of its continuing to be a nation at all, would be to permit it to become a tangle of squabbling nationalities, an intricate knot of German-Americans, Irish-Americans, English-Americans, French-Americans, Scandinavian-Americans, or Italian-Americans, each preserving its separate nationality, each at heart feeling more sympathy with Europeans of that nationality than with the other citizens of the American Republic. The men who do not become Americans and nothing else are hyphenated Americans; and there ought to be no room for them in this country. The man who calls himself an American citizen and who yet shows by his actions that he is primarily the citizen of a foreign land, plays a thoroughly mischievous part in the life of our body politic. He has no place here; and the sooner he returns to the land to which he feels his real heart-allegiance, the better it will be for every good American."

- Theodore Roosevelt

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if anyone has used this before and could help me out, how much is it going to cost to electronically file with this company?
or if anyone could susggest an alternative company to use that i could actually file for free, that would be great.

I used the costly version of Turbo Tax last three years, then found that link on the IRS site too. Here is a link that explained it to me. There are no charges as long as you meet these criteria.

@ nomad,

I was with you until the Fox news comment.

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I beleive that all saudi newspaper STINK .

BTW i don’t buy anyone of them .. sumtimes i accept them for free ..

one of my well know pics has been stolen it’s for Prince naif .. aljazeera Newspaper show it every day also that still happenin’ with my photographer friends .. we’re their victims

don’t balme me when I say all these papers SUCK

Written by Fareed Zakaria. I thought it was a facinating book. What are your thoughts? Those of you who have read this book.

If you liked the book, you might enjoy his new program, GPS. It’s on every Sunday morning on CNN.

What would be an effective way to exterminate racism, sexism, and ethnic discrimination in an environment which allows and encourages freedom of speech?

Serious answers only, please.

well if you want a dictatorship instead of democracy you have people not just being racist and sexist but you have anarchists too. no matter what form of government we have…people will always complain and people will always hate. to relate human nature to our government seems kinda …eh.

if you want to exterminate those things and include the government that’s so freedom of speech…you’d have to get government funding laws to programs or divisions that encourage such things like desegrigation efforts…

in other words the government would give tax breaks to programs that advertise anti racism and sexism on tv…or if a company had a rally once a year about recognizing the people around us for their heritige and accepting eachother is a good thing…they could write all the costs off as a tax break.

but to be honest the question kinda lost its meaning. freedom of speech exists because of the one true fact…all men (and women) are created equal. if only certain people were allowed to speak their minds that’s racist…so in turn the framework is setup to be the best possible framework that encorporates everyone…despite race..creed…religion and the rest.

the reason racism exists alongside the others…is simply because its 50% inherited…parents pass the attitude of their parents down and train their kids (sometimes without knowing it) to do these things. and the other 50% is because those things like racism etc…has become an entitiy in our population once the idea of difference was thought of as…different. meaning racism..sexism and ethnic discrimination are like a living thing in our economy and the only way to defeat it is to not question our own government but to rather question the real causes…like why people get mad at their lives and suddenly blame people of the other race. the psychological issues people have to find these things ok is simply due to the common thought that its acceptable

some poeple hate people because of a certain member of that gender or cultural group did something to them earlier in life. which in turn sets a theme to the person’s beliefs. "my dad was killed by a (insert race here) so now i hate (that race)."

freedom of speech? meh. without freedom of speech we wouldn’t be allowed to label such things as racism sexism and ethnic discrimination. so there.

…just a deceptive word used within organized religions, that is nothing more than dictatorship playing dressup in a costume named salvation, to brainwash people into believing they had better listen & follow the rules of said religion?
and PLEASE – don’t go bombarding me with passages or quotes from the Bible.
I am looking for answers from people who can use their own mind and have an oppinion instead of typing out some memorized passages of someone else’s words…..
……use YOUR words and thoughts if you feel you have a comment….

thanks

It used to be! Originally it meant to be saved from religious dogma, into a state of spiritual freedom. Like everything else they have completely turned it around to mean the opposite. It is more like "Slavation" today. Because they are not saving souls, they are selling them.

Do you know any sites about Roots of American Freedom?

Here are a few:

http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_transcript.html

http://www.whitehouse.gov/about/white_house_101/

http://www.foundingfathers.info/

http://www.constitutionfacts.com/index.cfm?section=foundingFathers&page=intro.cfm

I feel the President could say more about what is happening in your country to your friends and relatives. I wonder though, if saying anything to those who are so-called leaders would be heard or acknowledged. What do you think America should do?

I’m an Iranian living in Iran and I’ve never been to America but I think Obama’s approach to the recent events is reasonable. Right now Iranian regime is trying to blame the protests on western countries and an explicit support from US would give them enough justification to suppress the opposition even more brutally.

However I expect Obama and other countries not to recognize Ahmadinejad as the president of Iran! I admire Obama’s attempt to show respect to Iranians and to reach out to people but he should be tough toward Mullahs’ dictatorship and Ahmadinejad’s government.

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